T 5 ing a t16s

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T 5 ing a t16s

Postby silver saab surfer » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:12 pm

Got lots of parts, full t5 kit removed very carefully from my 1998 9000 cse doner to go on to my 1993 t16s , just lacking some info ;) . My problem is with the c.p.s. & i am going down the flywheel m/c route for the signal , so i don't think that it is timed as the d.i.c. takes care of that (could be wrong hence the post ).Please tell me if i am right or wrong as i have an engine & box that are going in at the same time . My t16s has 201k on the clock & i fitted a 2nd hand gearbox to it (that came with the car) two years ago but the syncros are just going bad , however for the t5 conversion i have sitting in the wings a 120k mile engine plus a 100k 5 speed box & a mitsi turbo , so i would like to get this mix correct..So what do you think about the c.p.s. signal ?..
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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby old saaber » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:18 pm

I think you probably have not seen my guide yet?

This ought to hit the spot: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1382

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby silver saab surfer » Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:51 pm

Oh yes i have sir & in fact have 2 paper copies (one for me and one for my mate who is a car electric god ).I am looking for a drawing of the flywheel machining ..
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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby old saaber » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:46 pm

If you're in the UK just call Cranford Engineering. They've got the pattern and the CNC machine so they can run you one off. Personally I'd get the bolt pattern drilled for the 240mm clutch at the same time.

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby silver saab surfer » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:53 pm

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby old saaber » Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:59 pm

No guarantees... they have the files at Cranford for setting up the orientation correctly and they've done many.

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby silver saab surfer » Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:38 pm

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby RonBurgundy » Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:51 pm

Trionic 5.5 needs that many slots, unlike Trionic 5.2 or DI/APC.

I has a far more accurate idea of where the engine is in its cycle, and can fire the injectors and spark plugs at a more accurate time.

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby old saaber » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:29 pm

Pretty sure the difference between T5.2 and T5.5 is batch-fired injection v.s. sequential injection. T5.5 can also adjust fuelling and ignition timing on a per-cylinder basis. To achieve this the ECU has to know the precise position of the engine and that's the reason for the 60-2 trigger.

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby old saaber » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:32 pm

BTW if you want to achieve this on the cheap then the answer is to fit the t5.5 shutter-wheel to the crank pulley.

New trigger wheel is only around £15.00 from Saab and so long as you're careful to properly secure it and set up the sensor properly then there's no reason why it should work any differently. Just that the flywheel solution is more professional.

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby silver saab surfer » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:55 pm

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby peva » Sun Aug 16, 2015 2:59 pm

Same as machined flywheel in Emm's diagram. Large slot timed 42°from TDC.
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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby silver saab surfer » Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:34 am

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby silver saab surfer » Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:42 pm

I have been doing a lot of umming & arring about this conversion , tho now my mind is made up & i'll go for it . I know there will be some probs but that's life . My mate is building me a small & powerfull laptop for the mapping (very unsure on that bit) plus i have emailed Karl noobtune about one of his map's .E.C.U. projects seems to be dead so i hope to find help here as you guy's have been there & done that ...
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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby B202NUT » Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:32 pm


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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby old saaber » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:30 pm

Are you using www.ecuproject.com - seems to work for me. It's a bit clunky but I can get in there still.

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby RonBurgundy » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:32 pm

I am fairly certain that Karl of Noobtune doesn't do T5 Maps, there are a few people who can do them if you don't want to DIY, over on UKSaabs Jules_HT is highly regarded, somewhere there is a list of who can do maps.

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby old saaber » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:41 am

Really the difficult bit is getting hooked into the ECU. Once you're in there then changing figures in the maps is just a question of typing numbers into boxes. If you have feedback from a wideband lambda sensor and you've got a way of logging your journeys (as t5_suite can do) then you'll be able to see if you're getting excessive knock or using too much fuel.

When you're just starting out with t5 on a 900 you don't have to get too serious right from the beginning. As the ECU is meant to power a very similar Saab engine to the 900 you can load up the map for a standard 175hp B204 and it will be ideal for running the 900 engine. Add a simple boost tweak using the stage wizard in t5_suite and you're good to go.

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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

Postby silver saab surfer » Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:15 pm

I know that it has been some time but i am getting ready to do this job . The engine & box will go in over winter then the t5. I have a few questions about the loom that i will ask when i have pic's of it , oh & i have this..
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Re: T 5 ing a t16s

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